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How Jordan Peterson's Suits Taught Me Fashion

How Jordan Peterson's Suits Taught Me Fashion



A sartorial murder investigation & personal growth story time vlog.

0:00 Spawn Point
4:35 Part One: Order Meets Chaos
11:50 Part Two: Dress Is Not An Art Project
24:15 I. Culture
28:03 II. The Web
31:34 III. The Death Instinct
36:48 IV.
48:07 – Part 4: But Really,

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Edited by CJ The X & Ben Chinapen

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43 Comments
  • @imightbetilee5342

    So it’s really all about finding out what you give and then serving that

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @GarrellWoods

    Most of the fun in these videos is watching him transition between different looks and poses

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @ellagage1256

    35:50 Feel a little called out

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @Kattts-r4i

    Thank you so much this video made me feel so very heard❤️❤️

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @davidchess1985

    "Which letter of the alphabet do you think knows the best spells?" 😁

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @Anticapulet

    Happy Birthday!

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @dominicbaubau

    during my teenage years I always tried very hard to dress "cool", where "cool" is referred to those popular trans emos/eboys everyone talked to (I went to art school lmao, those were our popular boys)
    I never really learnt to, because nobody ever gave me real advice. I then said "fuck it" and decided to dress just how I wanted to, simply wearing things I like… until I went to Dublin (new place, new people, new possible experiences) and I realised I was communicating nothing. People in the strees couldn't tell I was non binary, they couldn't tell I was one of those artsy people, one of those hippie-ish people. Nothing. My first thought was that I shouldn't try to dress in a way that other people do just because I wanna be like them. But man😐😐I live in a society full of people, that's exactly what I have to do!! Connect!! Be part of the world!! Now I put lots of effort to every outfit to try and communicate who I really am and what parts of culture I associate with. It's great

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @syrenahrenaye8688

    that was grimes we appreciate power?

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @terraformthesun2896

    28:52
    Giving the banker a big prosthetic nose was…a choice.

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @chao3948

    "I was raised up believing
    I was somehow unique
    Like a snowflake distinct among snowflakes
    Unique in each way you can see

    And now after some thinking
    I'd say I'd rather be
    A functioning cog in some great machinery
    Serving something beyond me"

    Helplesness Blues by Fleet Foxes

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @DeronHargrove

    This video further makes me realize I am way more isolated and lonely than I thought. But that's a good realization. Thank you.

    Edit: Also happy belated birthday

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @michaelpalin8953

    "I do not like David Bowie", WHAAAAAAT!?… You really look like you would like David Bowie, though.

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @michaelpalin8953

    Jeans and T-shirts, 🙂

    If I'm cold I put one of the sweaters knitted by my mother, I can't help you there.

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @asiabeanzz

    As someone who transverses multiple cultural identities, I'd say my wardrobe is true to myself in a way that is unique and stylish, and not immediately discernable. I feel like this is why there are so many bullshit sub sub categories of fashion that have made their way into the mainstream. Gorpcore, cottage core, coquette etc. It's like a plug and play. You can mix and mash whatever cultural aesthetics you please if you have the means or the creativity to make it work. I think that "language" is attributed to the shape and drape mentioned. Pleasing shapes color ways and images that appeal to nostalgia or an absurdist death instinct. Shoutout my goat Luke Blovad.

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @TheAm88b

    I'm usually the guy who defends JP in casual conversations, but you've actually found a way to criticize him that I just have to fully agree with. Great video! I hope he watches it and understands his errors.

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @flawlix

    Liking Marina and the Diamonds and disliking David Bowie. Your subjective taste aligns with mine

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @flawlix

    I love the casual Noam Chomsky “Colorless green ideas…” reference. Just as a lil personal thing for me. The lecture in my Intro to Linguistics in which that sentence first came up was the point I decided to major in linguistics, so it just makes me smile.

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @SamSam-vd1jk

    I have an exam tomorrow and there’s a very real chance there will be a question on one of your videos. It’ll be one of the only things I’ll actually know. 🫡

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @ilikebread757

    IS THAT REALLY ALEXANDER AVILA'S VOICE OR AM I HALLUCINATING

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @gengaraproved8435

    I feel sorry for being one of those folks who tells people to tell people art is subjective. It’s what I want to hear, so I want to provide others the space to be themselves, even if I’m not fond of what they’re wearing as a form of empathy. I personally hate authority figures dictating what I should and shouldn’t be. If I’m not providing support by saying that, I’m genuinely sorry.

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @p7-books

    First time watching – won't be the last for sure. Thank you for this. I've always had trouble with fashion and how to dress well, and I think I relate a lot to your troubles with it. You've given me a lot to think about.

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @austensg9596

    I’ve watched this twice in 24 hours, and I’m left with a question: if suits are meant to be worn as a full set all the time, why are “suit separates” sold at all? This is a genuine question, somebody please explain so I know what to do with my nice suit jacket from ThredUp. Thanks in advance

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @AvianaKnochel

    I think it's funny that you don't like Bowie (no shade) because the ending of your outro was almost a direct quote of Bowie's ending solo in Under Pressure (which, to be fair, is mostly a Queen track).

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @Tolkien5045

    You cannot just say perchance 😭

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @noahwright5099

    I LITERALLY THOUGHT Q AS SOON AS YOU ASKED WHICH LETTER KNOWS THE BEST MAGIC SPELLS

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @werauchimmer2685

    I've been waiting so much for this Miraculous Ladybug video, you can't even imagine. I'm like two mental breakdowns away from making a million fake accounts just to subscribe to you and get you to make this video. You have no idea how much I need this!

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @CJ-qw4og

    His suits give flamboyant gay man that hasn’t fully figured out his style and fit 😂😅

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @CJ-qw4og

    A tight dress shirt can be sexy on some people depending on their build but tight jackets looks bad on like everyone. Like tight clothes can look good on both mean and women but not dress coats. I feel like people gave up on giving their clothing shape since the 80s. Because prior to the 90s clothing had more interesting and fun shapes, not patterns but the shape it gives

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @doctorwholover1012

    I also think too many people are afraid to dress in Outfits because it feels costumey (by Outfits i mean a set ensemble like you'd see in a 50s advert, the kind of ensemble dressing of the gloves – purse – shoes all matching)

    when i worked retail in a jewelry shop, every christmas i'd repeat the same few Outfits again and again because they were easy festive looks i could default to within my limited work-wardrobe – my robin-patterned dress with a red cardigan and red stocking earrings, my blue dress with my sparkly snowflake earrings and black cardigan/tights, my grey and black star-pattern christmas jumper with black trousers/shoes and star bauble earrings, etc. i would pair my outfits to my jewelry in a specific way to create a festive vibe that made the exact same dresses i'd been wearing all year suddenly look like i'd bought them just for christmas.

    people are too afraid to have a Set Outfit with certain clothing items – the idea of everything being interchangeable so you can capsule wardrobe a hundred beige looks has taken over, leaving colourful people without help and bland people looking more boring than ever.
    i have an oversized red denim jacket, that i pair with multiple Outfits to create different looks, so when i pick up the jacket, i have a mental roster of Outfits to pick from that i know it looks good in. yes my friends will have seen me wear Red Jacket Outfit #4 already, but why wouldn't i wear it again if it still looks good?
    whenever a friend has said to me "oh you're wearing That again, i love that dress/jacket/etc on you" its always wonderful, but whenever someone compliments you on a new outfit looking good, most people then want to wear it again, but not around the person who complimented them, because repeating "feels bad". but if they didn't want you to wear it again, why would they compliment you?

    its overthinking without reaching an endpoint tbh. if anyone says "oh you're wearing Outfit again" in any kind of negative or surprised tone, we should act confused, like "of course im wearing it again. thats how clothes work" tbh 😅

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @MxIzmir

    I rewatched this as prep for wedding apparel shopping ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @nabijaczleweli

    honestly i still like the split-dye suit because i read it like a gala dress or whatever — it's stupid, loud, obnoxious, and obvious. the broader context (and jbp wearing it) makes it insufferable for sure but

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @cringusmoss9937

    Alliteration on point. You make incredible art and i deeply appreciate it.

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @alousnamer

    What's the song that plays during the title card for I. Culture?

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @loisthomas8534

    You are an excellent educator, thank you!

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @emberpaulovich6602

    I was not prepared for "High school musical is a depiction of libertarianism"

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @burner9147

    Fashion is the realm of the vain and the retarded

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @boyblob

    48:44 . Bro looks like Ben Safdie's character from The Curse. Incredible 😂

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @II00I00

    I uh I love this singular audible clap 26:49

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @AdiDK

    I think the reason I have such a deep disagreeing feeling during the course of watching this is because over the past couple years Jordan Peterson HAS transformed into a comic book supervillain, that's just how he presents himself now, the intellectual undergrad professor does not exist anymore. So his choice to associate himself with the "batman-villaincore" social identity is, in my opinion, a very correct choice for him.

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @lyndonwesthaven6623

    Arts and Crafts aesthetic is so good! Like, I know the movement has a lot of philosophical failings but it's also this grand celebration of humanity in the everyday physical in the face of a moment when industry was looming inevitably into everyone's lives.

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @micahmosse3876

    Okay, part IV made me emotional. I'm autistic, and feeling like I don't have access to that cultural language, that I'm just babbling when everyone else has access to a handbook or script or something, but they didn't know it. For me, the fashion turning point was learning about the butch identity. That one just fit me, that gave me the script, and opened up a whole language to learn and to play in and express. I still often feel like I can't say everything that I want to say, with fashion and how I arrange my physical space in my home, but this video gave me some language to understand what I need.
    Also as a certified domestic soft butch, I adore suits.

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @sindrevangenrobberstad2889

    Will you move to my country, become a priest and do sermons in my church, please?

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm
  • @HaveNoLife

    This video is an elaborate deconstruction of the gender debate surrounding trans people and how they're perceived by the American right wing disguised as a deconstruction of Jordan Petersons fashion.

    The idea that cultures and subcultures dictate whats accepted within their cliques and the unspoken rules of those cultures that aren't apparent or communicated effectively is inherently anti-trans if not at least in some small part how the right rationalise their behaviour and treatment of trans individuals.

    This discussion was one I attempted to have with my boyfriend several years ago.

    If anyone is offended by this I only offer this information as a means for helping the trans community learn and understand how they're perceived within social interactions where they're being heavily criticised by a group of people who likely struggle to understand their feelings on this topic.

    Of you have the power to read between the lines and interpret what others are really saying about you that will only help you navigate those situations more effectively.

    Have a wonderful day!

    December 12, 2024 at 6:42 pm